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  • Опубликовано: 16 апр 2025
  • Göbekli Tepe is great and deserves the attention it gets.
    But does it have the right kind of attention?
    There is another site in S.E. Turkey that is probably going to turn out to be far more important than its more well known contemporary. It was longer lived than Göbekli Tepe, predated it, spanned the Younger Dryas and is producing more material culture.
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  • @kevinwhale920
    @kevinwhale920 Год назад +1235

    My wife is Turkish and her family is from NE Turkey, Artvin area. Her family say in the past the people would use dark closed off spaces, caves I assume, to store food etc. The area is very mountainous so these places were aplenty. If you didn't have these places at hand I guess people would dig down to create their own "cave". I've been going to Turkey for over 20 years and lived there for 7 years, everywhere you go you find ancient archeology. It's unbelievable to be honest. After a while you become a bit blasé about it. Everyone focuses on the Greek/Roman stuff because it's easier to explain and talk about, but there are so many sites way way older. Incredible country. You should definitely go!!

    • @friendlyone2706
      @friendlyone2706 Год назад +34

      The Greek/Roman left written records we can still read.

    • @szymonbaranowski8184
      @szymonbaranowski8184 Год назад +16

      no, because Greek and Romans created actual culture, our culture
      soon we will be more interested in how much we changed after mixing with Neanthertal than about some old rocks without any meaning for our cultural roots
      that are more north
      at least considering most of scientists doing research
      did you see Asian scientists interested in these places? 😂

    • @MegaBaddog
      @MegaBaddog Год назад +128

      @@szymonbaranowski8184 stupid troll comment

    • @andrewfindlay7594
      @andrewfindlay7594 Год назад +11

      I'm thinking about moving to Turkey. Why did you move back?

    • @thomasgraham5842
      @thomasgraham5842 Год назад +24

      @@szymonbaranowski8184 not much writing on ye olde stone hendge

  • @galadriel481
    @galadriel481 Год назад +338

    I went to Turkey in 2017 to look at ancient sites and said at the time that there'll be enough to keep archaeologists busy in Turkey for the next 500 years. I believe there's so much more to find over there

    • @friendlyone2706
      @friendlyone2706 Год назад +32

      I think the same can be for all the earth -- if we can only look with open eyes. Everywhere should be examined with LIDAR.

    • @locknload14
      @locknload14 Год назад +8

      ​@Friendly One I totally agree!

    • @Anonymous-ip4qx
      @Anonymous-ip4qx Год назад +9

      People don’t realize the amount of history in that area. Mexico is the same way but to a lesser extent.

    • @fuzzilu
      @fuzzilu Год назад +23

      ​@@Anonymous-ip4qx a female archaeologist in Mexico found bones that were extremely old. She was completely derided by fellow archaeologists and told she must be wrong, although they were found very deep. So I expect any findings in Mexico like that, were kept hidden.

    • @jillfarley520
      @jillfarley520 Год назад +2

      @@friendlyone2706 I agree with you.

  • @TheLonesomeBricoleur
    @TheLonesomeBricoleur Год назад +185

    I was lucky enough to have taken an archaeology course with a professor who was among the first few excavation crews at Çatalhöyük back in the 1960's. He *loved* showing us his slides from the site, & he was always very confident that future archaeologists would continue to find earlier & earlier evidence of us humans working together to survive & thrive.

    • @daleval2182
      @daleval2182 Год назад +2

      Excellent 👍

    • @magiccarpetmusic5977
      @magiccarpetmusic5977 11 месяцев назад +7

      Too bad Corporate-fascist capitalism has created a world where such crucial cooperation among human beings is increasingly rare

    • @jamisojo
      @jamisojo 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@magiccarpetmusic5977 thank God for the capitalism. Otherwise we would be ruled by sadistic communist dictators.

    • @richjames2478
      @richjames2478 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@magiccarpetmusic5977I could bet you live in a city? Probably in a apartment???

    • @AkbarZeb-p6f
      @AkbarZeb-p6f 5 месяцев назад

      @@magiccarpetmusic5977 YOU are the problem.

  • @bartholomewrubendelatorreo9528
    @bartholomewrubendelatorreo9528 Год назад +67

    The Anasazi in New Mexico had beautiful underground temples called kivas. They had a roof covered ring with windows around the outside about a foot high above the ground through which light filtered into the kiva, giving the inside a mysterious, tranquil, awe inspiring a twilight aspect. I was moved to a reverent silence upon entering. The Anasazi believed that creation was born of the Emerging Woman, and the kiva represented her womb.

    • @ellieplantagenet9121
      @ellieplantagenet9121 Год назад +1

      The kivas were ritual structures exclusively reserved for men. They were also places where weaving, which, rather unusually, was a male activity, took place.

    • @blakehelgoth5247
      @blakehelgoth5247 Год назад +5

      They prefer Ancient Pueblonians as Anasazi of derogatory.

    • @raywhitehead730
      @raywhitehead730 11 месяцев назад +1

      However, these sites in Turkey predate those American sites by at least Ten thousand years. And that matters.

    • @reddirtgirl
      @reddirtgirl 9 месяцев назад

      The idea of a "kiva", Sunken ceremonial building, council gathering place etc out of the sunlight appears in a number of cultures, as well as underground food storage. It will be interesting to see what comes of this site. Very interesting.

    • @BrandanLee
      @BrandanLee 8 месяцев назад +3

      It's not so much that "Anasazi" is derogatory as it just don't comport with what the Hopi claim. The Hopi claim to be descendants of the Puebloans, and Anasazi literally means "ancient enemy." So it's more a misunderstanding between cultures like the Navajo, who were effectively invaders of Northern az from Canada at the time, and the Hopi, who have been there for thousands of years in some form or another, and the people writing the mix of archeology and the integrated oral traditions. The first writers to popularize Anasazi kinda stepped in 700 year old turf war drama. But it's also hard to get Hopi to actually sit down and talk to us gringos unfiltered, since they don't talk about it to outsiders as a kind of policy, where Navajo are happy to tell their side. Hopi will talk to good friends and family, but not some outsider with a pen and microphone.

  • @HeidiHahe
    @HeidiHahe Год назад +37

    "stuff just keeps getting older" I love it!

    • @Rubin_Schmidt
      @Rubin_Schmidt 2 дня назад

      Video link
      ruclips.net/video/ivXXO7YktPo/видео.html
      Filename
      In Search of Go Becky Tepleiy.

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 Год назад +84

    The more you talk about the area the more excited I get for the film! I just love discovering the history of us all lol❤

  • @robertmuhammad8842
    @robertmuhammad8842 Год назад +290

    It's insane that I went through college and graduate school and never heard of any of these sites or the younger dryas. There's a very limited world view that traditional education gives you. I had to learn of these things on RUclips and NETFLIX! smh

    • @PaulArtman
      @PaulArtman Год назад +42

      You have inadvertently stumbled on a topic mentioned by Samuel Clemens. "Never let your schooling interfere with your education!".

    • @b4tran
      @b4tran Год назад +30

      Well that’s because these were all basically new and recent discoveries

    • @wout123100
      @wout123100 Год назад +16

      but be aware a lot of stuff on youtube is fantasy realm. this channel seems genuine.

    • @laara1426
      @laara1426 Год назад +5

      What universities did you go to ? What was the area of study ? How long ago ?

    • @helenamcginty4920
      @helenamcginty4920 Год назад +10

      When I was young our geography teacher introduced us to the then new concept of continental drift. She was excited by it but told us that there was discussion as to whether it was real or not. So much is still being learned about our past. Some old artefacts are being re examined using modern scientific techniques are changing our ideas.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo Год назад +282

    There’s nothing to suggest there weren’t as many geniuses living 14,000 years ago as there are today, but we somehow tend to think of ourselves as the smartest group that’s ever lived

    • @juliepepin6220
      @juliepepin6220 Год назад +23

      I tend toward that prejudice. Reading your comment was refreshing. Yes! Of course, people haven't changed that much. It's our tools that changed, and that is inevitable.

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo Год назад +6

      Yes, I suppose tools may just be the expression and the fabrication of our collective knowledge and ideas, designs, our fears, our needs, etc. taking us from clubs and spears to aerospace and the internet.

    • @yoni-in-BHAM
      @yoni-in-BHAM Год назад +9

      Thank you for the comment! I wholeheartedly agree. People tend to think that our early ancestors were all brainless brutes - to be fair, I'm sure there were some running around then, just like today. 😂
      I guess some folks want to be special in this existence; reality is too boring for them, so the often heard phrase of: "It must be aliens," or, "It must be super duper advanced civilization with lasers and flying vehicles!" 🤦🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo Год назад

      Lolled at brainless brutes, even today. Their gene pool dies out over generations, but they seem to be reborn

    • @guyanaspice6730
      @guyanaspice6730 Год назад

      It's NOT 14,000 years old. Sewage Systems, weaving, Copper works, jewelry n much more will Prove they existed Closer to our Time - Ancient Middle East Empires that we know.
      It's Not just One site; it's SEVERAL TEPES.
      What are Academics missing. This is a Time Closer to ours; not older SMH
      Carbon Dating WILL be proven Invalid Again.

  • @stephenbost5892
    @stephenbost5892 Год назад +173

    I think our human history goes far back in time even more than what has been uncovered

    • @soupstheman143
      @soupstheman143 Год назад +22

      We only see why the victors of pat conquests allowed to survive. Imagine the cultures that weren’t masters of warfare that are gone. What kind of amazing societies were out there who just didn’t have the monopoly on violence?
      Lost architecture styles and great works.

    • @stephenbost5892
      @stephenbost5892 Год назад +15

      @@soupstheman143 Probably hundreds to thousands

    • @ch-arts-us
      @ch-arts-us Год назад +21

      modern humans have lived on earth for at least 300 thousand years. We have done everything modern civilization in about 2000 years. It could have happened before

    • @seanbays1235
      @seanbays1235 Год назад +4

      Definitely. Many 10s of thousands of years at least.

    • @diegoflores9237
      @diegoflores9237 Год назад +6

      I think one day we're going to find Neanderthal settlements close to what these are

  • @cork..
    @cork.. Год назад +62

    Have I told you lads lately how grateful I am for you? Cause I am. Thank you, Michael and Rupert. You're doing very important work and I'm very grateful for all the effort you put in to all that you do. And as I always say: never forget what quoits means to me.

  • @ChiefMadokawando
    @ChiefMadokawando Год назад +32

    You guys have a wonderful, practical, common-sence approach to archaeology. So enjoyable to watch these videos.

  • @judithgockel1001
    @judithgockel1001 Год назад +291

    Sites have been found in the American states bordering the Great Lakes where almost pure copper (as opposed to ore requiring refining) was found and worked into jewelry and ceremonial weapons well before the functional use of metal of any sort is known to have occurred .

    • @lindamcdaniel8958
      @lindamcdaniel8958 Год назад

    • @helenamcginty4920
      @helenamcginty4920 Год назад +31

      I read some time ago of a site in central Africa (I forget which country but might have been Congo Republic) where traces of copper smelting from the same era as the earliest in the middle east have been found. It appears that this occurred as a separate thing all over the place more or less at the same time.

    • @AndyBsUTube
      @AndyBsUTube Год назад +17

      @@henchy3rd I had asked a similar question - is the copper found native or smelted, I was also thinking of the same N.American location. If the copper is smelted then that is very significant.

    • @judithgockel1001
      @judithgockel1001 Год назад +19

      @Kelly Harbeson - it seems copper, like some other metals (gold, lead, and probably a dozen others I don’t know about) are present in fully metallic form at various places in the world, and can be worked without the intense heat required for smelting. But it doesn’t occur often, and few to none of these materials can hold as keen an edge as a knapped flint knife, for instance. As many of these softer metals are pretty, their use in ceremonial or ornamental objects would make them very desirable as status and/or wealth symbols. There existed well-made tools and millennia-old methods of doing what was required, so until someone worked out the methods needed for most metal work, any such objects would have been more valuable as luxury items.

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 Год назад

      Maybe because there was a more advanced civilization than we give them credit for? Mainstream archaeology is a disaster

  • @bonniegreatorex72
    @bonniegreatorex72 Год назад +358

    Imagine if all the governments would take the energy they put into war and put it into geological expeditions what wonderful things we would discover!

    • @johinz7483
      @johinz7483 Год назад +7

      Or the Catholic Achives.

    • @blxtothis
      @blxtothis Год назад

      The problem is that there are too many with violent and extreme intent who will destroy history when it doesn’t suit their political, ideological or religious beliefs. This has happened since Homo Sapiens evolved. This has been seen in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places more recently.

    • @lynnabdi6093
      @lynnabdi6093 Год назад +8

      Archiologists always assume that mankind were not developed enough to produce things like irrigation and sewerage systems over six thousands years ago. How we think in terms of health and welfare would have applied to them also. To keep disease away from communities a sewerage system was built. Clean water essential to good health. Think about it, we are them and they are us, no different same hopes same fears needing a sense of security for their people. Although we have technologies that have improved our life style's, who knows what kind of natural energies that were their technologies used to improve thier lives. For example natural stones have their own energy vibration. The site of 100,000 bees probably shows evidence of a business centre producing honey for all the surrounding areas. Perhaps some bartering going on. The evidence of pieces of cloth and carvings as evidence shows how advanced they were.They were not just hunter gatherers sat twiddling their thumbs. They, it seems were proactive humans.

    • @bonniegreatorex72
      @bonniegreatorex72 Год назад +2

      @@lynnabdi6093 That's very interesting!

    • @TheAaronRodgersTao
      @TheAaronRodgersTao Год назад +4

      They don’t want humanity feeling wonder.

  • @glenblahut1983
    @glenblahut1983 Год назад +47

    Seeing an image of a dwelling from a top-down viewpoint immediately brought to mind a dwelling, or series of dwellings, that have been partially restored on the very southwest tip of Baffin Island in Canada's arctic! These dwellings, sunk into the ground, are attributed to the Thule culture, supposedly living in that region 3500 yrs ago. In this case, at Kinngait (previously called Cape Dorset), the site is about 200m from the shoreline. There are about 6 to 8 separate units, all arranged sort of as a single "townhouse". They are about 12 x 12 ft square, with a raised "bench" along the back wall opposite to the doorway. The doorway is made from two upright stones with a third stone set horizontally across. It is about 3ft tall so one has to crouch down to enter.

    • @BarbBedford
      @BarbBedford Год назад

      Wow! Thanks for sharing this❤

    • @witty_inventions
      @witty_inventions 6 месяцев назад

      Reminds me of Skara Brae in the Orkney Islands, Dating to much the same time period.

  • @colinellicott9737
    @colinellicott9737 Год назад +10

    Fascinating. Human tools, buildings, settlements, and society 13,000 BCE. We still have much to learn about ourselves let alone the universe.

  • @buffewo6386
    @buffewo6386 Год назад +65

    The "Communal Buildings" sound similar to the Kivas of the American Southwest. They are circular, subterranean ritual spaces entered through the ceiling.
    Edit: Not saying these are ritual spaces, just similar to Kivas in a broad sense.

    • @urnaighean_shamhach
      @urnaighean_shamhach Год назад +7

      Same thought I had....

    • @thewinesmith
      @thewinesmith Год назад +5

      Thats the same thing i thought. Like the ones i saw at the pueblo duelings in Colorado.

    • @arlineurrutia1157
      @arlineurrutia1157 Год назад +2

      Well, that was my exact thought. I have visited the Kivas in the American southwest of actually several of them from Chaco Canyon all the way through to Mesa Verde, which covers several thousand kilometers, and is reminiscent of what appears to be very similar construction to this site, which is of course, thousands of years older When I first visited these sites, I went with my father, who has since passed. It was quite a few years ago, and he was surprised regarding the Kiva saying that they had similar to kivas structures in the Pyrenees mountains, which I have not seen any literary evidence of myself, but he had personally seen them. I also have an interest in the prehistoric civilizations, and, with that being said, they’re also found very similar in further down in South America all the way down to Patagonia, where they had similar structures being found not as a prominent part which, Let’s say is more in the pyramidal structures, but the Kiva or circular underground structures, and that’s what I will call them since that was my first Knowledge of them did remind me even with Göbekli and other sights of Anatolia and now with these new discoveries very similar cultures in terms of the beads and everything that was that was also found at especially Chaco canyon and the way it was structured where the central locations are the circular underground structures, and the residences were to the side even in Jordan actually, the older sights were entered through the ceiling And just fascinating the extreme differences in the dates of similar ancient cultures.

    • @keesverhagen9227
      @keesverhagen9227 Год назад

      I have read about them long ago in a Tex Willer comic.😂

    • @lonmccarley5072
      @lonmccarley5072 9 месяцев назад

      Ice Cores from Greenland and the South Pole contain proof 90% of the time over 900k years, earth was dominated by Glaciers & Deserts. The present 14,000 years period is Goldilocks.

  • @Pbav8tor
    @Pbav8tor Год назад +39

    The beads are very sophisticated. Most of them appear to be stone. It takes a lot more skill to put holes in stone than clay. Very beautiful, and not unlike much of my own treasure.

    • @roscius6204
      @roscius6204 Год назад +2

      @@natty_actual The scorpion motif might be a clue there?

    • @ThunderboltWisdom
      @ThunderboltWisdom Год назад +6

      The sheer amount of beads make me think it's a production centre for these items, and that points to trading which points to travel and communication between different populations. There are similar sites elsewhere in Europe that are production centres for other items - stone axes in Transylvania I believe, flint axes in SE Britain etcetera - and these items are found hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from where they were made. So, to me, over 100,000 beads points to a larger amount of sophistication than just imagining these people making their little jewellery items while sitting round the fire.

    • @roxcastaneda
      @roxcastaneda Год назад

      They are beautiful! Great pieces of art and sophistication!

    • @FrankOnDaPhone
      @FrankOnDaPhone Год назад

      @@ThunderboltWisdomwe

  • @SevemedimKaragoezlum
    @SevemedimKaragoezlum Год назад +4

    My roots are in a village 180 km from Göbekli tepe,220 km from Karahan tepe and 160 km from Mount Nemrut. These sites archeologists are digging up are making me wonder what lies under the soil near my village. We do also have those trees,like the one from göbekli tepe,where childless woman go to wish either a child or people in general go to wish health for someone who’s sick.i know of a tree where people take some pebbles laying around close-by into their hands,whisper their wish on that pebble and put it in the nocks and cranies of that specific tree. That tree is so old. Also there’s a little story about our village,that it was a settlement which had been abandoned prior to ‘us’ arriving there. You can still see tiny portions of a stonewall. Maybe next time i am there i should just take a shovel and do a little digging.

  • @Kanal_Tekno_AI
    @Kanal_Tekno_AI Год назад +23

    Those Tash Tepeler, Jericho, Jordan, why don't we call them as proto-civilization. Those guys truly have a sense of cultural continuity and progress.

  • @medievalladybird394
    @medievalladybird394 Год назад +77

    Hit the like button y'all. Give these guys a thumbs-up. They deserve it. 🎉

    • @VideoSaySo
      @VideoSaySo Год назад +4

      I was 420! Lol!

    • @thhseeking
      @thhseeking Год назад +3

      I did :)

    • @ProYada
      @ProYada Год назад +3

      Two old men talking about even older people? I'm here for it. Very interesting period in human history.

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 Год назад +1

      They do not deserve a thumbs up. No pictures, except for one for a few seconds. Just blathering with political correct archaeology. So banal!!

  • @amcmanusmusic
    @amcmanusmusic Год назад +64

    Ahh! I’ve finally found a RUclips channel that really gives factual researched information about these amazing places and discoveries. I appreciate that the gentleman on the right was keen to have things edited out when he wasn’t sure if the information was 100% accurate. But I’m glad that those bits were left in. It made it clear that you’re only interested in the facts, and also let’s us hear the full conversation. I’m now subbed.

    • @marshferguson4737
      @marshferguson4737 Год назад +3

      But how can it be all fact when we're guessing who and what and how they lived. I know of specific dating but we can only guess as to why they did things.

    • @ktrimbach5771
      @ktrimbach5771 Год назад +1

      @@marshferguson4737 And all radiometric dating is very suspect. They are constantly revising dates one direction or the other

    • @malcolmjcullen
      @malcolmjcullen 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ktrimbach5771 It's the fact that they're not sure, that they entertain doubt and uncertainty, that makes me trust them.

  • @Doedoebear
    @Doedoebear Год назад +10

    Thank you for all you guys do. I'm a brand new watcher as of today and love the content I've seen thus far! Thank you!

  • @lindagates9150
    @lindagates9150 Год назад +27

    I have found that what you two find fascinating I also find fascinating very fascinating and even extremely fascinating thank you. I am impressed by the sewerage system as well . I am glad you aren’t snipping out your thoughts and what appears to be something that makes you uncomfortable Rupert . I am left wondering what you found sweet. I look forward to seeing more . My biggest regret is that I don’t always comment to let you both know how much I appreciate your work. Thank you 🌟🌺🍀💝🍀🌺🌟👍👍👍👍😘💓💞💓🥰🥰🖖🖖🖖🖖🌟🌺🍀💝👋🧝🏼🤚🎆🎇🌠🎇🎆

  • @wendywhite2642
    @wendywhite2642 Год назад +17

    I've just added another life goal! I would absolutely love to go on an archeological dig for a while at a place like gobekli tepi or this! I have wanted to do such a thing somewhere for 50 years! I couldn't afford it then. I can afford it now at 67. But I'm a damned healthy 67!😊

    • @michaellefort6128
      @michaellefort6128 Год назад +1

      Good luck with that. I hope you get to go. You should contact a nearby college that may be working on prehistoric site. A little experience could be your foot on the door?

    • @ktrimbach5771
      @ktrimbach5771 Год назад +1

      Is Earthwatch still around? They were an academic “vacation” organization.

    • @corinne-alexandrinebobin499
      @corinne-alexandrinebobin499 3 месяца назад

      I had the most wonderful airbnb in Şanliurfa Old Town for £12 per night, within walking distance to the museum, buses to Gobekli Tepe depart from there every 45 mn. If you want to see the team at work you must visit in May-June or September-October.

  • @GurdevSingh-yk6og
    @GurdevSingh-yk6og Год назад +6

    What a discovery !
    And such a learned introduction.
    But there should have been more pictures.
    Thanks for widening our horizon.

  • @tdzack
    @tdzack Месяц назад

    Your presentation is helping me to imagine this fascinating time period that extends back 14,000 years!

  • @jenniferlevine5406
    @jenniferlevine5406 Год назад +8

    Amazing story and yes, the time scale is mind boggling! Thank you!

  • @carriekelly4186
    @carriekelly4186 Год назад +2

    Yes yes thank you for recognizing the many other sites in the area of Gobekli tepe that show the level of utilization of so many tools,implements,and methods of shelter creation that were happening prior. Gobekli tepe didn't just pop up after some pre-flood wise ones appeared from an advanced civilization and show them how to make a pillar. Gobekli tepe itself was inhabited or utilized for a very long time period itself. Thanks so much for covering the subject.

  • @aaronwest1055
    @aaronwest1055 Год назад +3

    I love how academic back and forth is just advanced version of social media shitposting at each other.

  • @dinosaursgorawrful3789
    @dinosaursgorawrful3789 3 месяца назад +1

    I love listening and your smiles are such a great indication of your love of the subject but for us novices who are enjoying the content, would also appreciate more pictures of the sites.

  • @swainsongable
    @swainsongable Год назад +119

    The mystery that sets Gobekli so far apart from everything else is the distinct lack of evidence for human habitation dense enough to support such structures, and moreso, the why and how did they bury it intentionally.

    • @Segkee
      @Segkee Год назад +5

      Yes, and BONCUKLU TARLA is WAY more significant.

    • @robdeskrd
      @robdeskrd Год назад +27

      ​@Segkee
      Why? How do you know it's more significant? Finding an old village, even large old sophisticated village happens but Golbkle Tepe is not a village but it's still large and the stonework is astonishingly sophisticated but it was intentionally buried, not destroyed-
      How does one justify all the extra work?
      Destroying the site in a conquest is work that can be justified but even coming up with a reason to do the work of building a non-residential site like that would have been difficult, justifying all that time & energy on a project that doesn't provide food or shelter would have taken a rather persuasive argument but it is productive activity.
      If people don't need it anymore they normally just abandon it, instead they carefully buried the whole site, why put out so much effort to do that?
      Something of singular significance is responsible for that.

    • @Segkee
      @Segkee Год назад +1

      @@robdeskrd wow. This is a new one for me. Is there a conspiracy tied up with Gobekli Tepe? Why are you so dogmatic in protecting its status? You sound like the archelological mainstream protecting the origins of the pyramids? Fascinating how that happens. How radicals become the status quo and then fight like dogs to maintain and minimize any other finding. Yuck.
      They're saying this village may have similar architectural techniques, that it shows advancement 5000 years prior to Gobekli tepe, that they used copper (at least in their art work). Who cares if it was intentionally buried? We bury lots of buildings and rebuild on their foundations. What exactly is your logic here? You realize Gobekli Tepe and Boncuklu together begin to support a new human history of development that significantly precedes the agricultural revolution? You guys get so fixated you can't see the bigger picture. Shame on you.

    • @duellingscarguevara
      @duellingscarguevara Год назад +9

      Conquest and colonisation perhaps?. Easier to fill in the temple to stop worship, than dismantling. (A Bit of church-burning is going on in Ukr right now...banned language, etc). Things change,...human nature, not so much?.

    • @jimrobcoyle
      @jimrobcoyle Год назад +4

      ​@@duellingscarguevaraUsurors wars are great debt creations.

  • @tinotrivino
    @tinotrivino 5 дней назад

    Hello Friends, so glad that Göbleki Tepe exists.... long story... hugs from Spain ♥

    • @NYUArchaeology
      @NYUArchaeology 2 дня назад

      You sure?? It's built by Natufian blacks. NATUFIANS. It isn't white. They know for certain now that's why they're saying nevermind GOBLEKI TEPE.

  • @paulm749
    @paulm749 Год назад +15

    It would be interesting to hear a discussion about the climate and natural resources available to the people who built these sites. The situation 10,000 to 13,000 years ago was certainly a lot different than it is today. Bottom line, without abundant sources of food and water nearby, they would not have had the time and energy necessary to build these structures.

    • @ivano4773
      @ivano4773 Год назад +1

      Good point ! I know water levels were much lower as the ice sheets were covering Northern Europe and North America . Most of Turkey at the moment is pretty hot and desolate vegetation wise , i wonder was it any better back then ?

    • @HaxHeadboom
      @HaxHeadboom Год назад +2

      at that specific juncture, I wager that any humans were trying to survive the aftershock of the Younger-Dryas Event ... which may in itself provide some answers to the "buried" nature of the site

  • @dreddykrugernew
    @dreddykrugernew Год назад +33

    I watched a migration video of the R1 haplogroup, 24,000 years ago R1 was first discovered in modern day Mongolia, its seems our ancestors who are R1 migrated from around Sundaland from around 40,000 years ago and decided to migrate north and become mammoth hunters. Then when we started approaching the glacial maximum the R1 people migrated to the Ural mountains and here is where the split of R1a and R1b occurred and we resided either side of the Ural mountains with R1b settling on the western side and R1a on the eastern side and we where here from around 22,000 years ago to 18,000 years ago. Then we migrated again, some of us settled in modern day Ukraine and Anatolia but we didnt stop there and we kept on going south into the Fertile Crescent and the Levant, but again some people carried on going and bizarrely went back into Africa around 14,000 years ago and settled in the Sahara in the African Wet Period around 14,000 years ago. So think of what happened in Mesopotamia/Levant around 15,000 years ago, there would have been hunter gatherer native populations coming into contact with a much culturally and ethnically different people then out of this period we begin to see much more complex cultures developing. My theory is we need to go to the Ural mountains and have a proper search for what these people where actually doing from 22,000 years ago to 18,000 years ago as this is the period previous to farming and domestication. From here we go south and then the world changed forever did these people bring in new technologies or was it a coming together of peoples that created a new technologies as it seems coincidental that civilisation begins when R1 people migrate into the area and we start seeing real dwellings, it's like the Tower of Jericho why was it constructed was it because the migration of R1 people through the Levant created conflict with native populations and they needed defensive structures to fend off these roaming hunter gatherers as it seems there are proto towers like Jericho in the Levant at other sites...

    • @kp-legacy-5477
      @kp-legacy-5477 Год назад +1

      i find the revealing nature of genetics fascinating and frustrating simply cause i dont understand it at all

    • @dreddykrugernew
      @dreddykrugernew Год назад +2

      @@kp-legacy-5477 its crazy how they do it, Europeans also had a hybridization event with a yet to be discovered species at some point that is not on the Neanderthal lineage of evolution and it is believed it happened around the Arabian peninsula and im not entirely sure when the dates are on that though as this is just emerging...

    • @edelgyn2699
      @edelgyn2699 Год назад

      "...our ancestors..."?? Who are the 'we' you are addressing??

    • @dreddykrugernew
      @dreddykrugernew Год назад +3

      @@edelgyn2699 the R1 haplogroups, I thought that was obvious because the comment is about the migrations of the R1 haplogroups, even a 5 year old could tell this...

    • @szymonbaranowski8184
      @szymonbaranowski8184 Год назад

      R1a is fully related with corded ware and eurosteppe R1b too but not fully
      so nope they were related before splitting and both represented the same language
      if they had split by mountains it would be impossible to keep the same language

  • @GazderVarun
    @GazderVarun Год назад +3

    Zoroastrian history books mentions the ice age/ great floods, these were places of temporary relocation, as people migrated from the cities in the north to the south to save themselves from extinction. They tried to make life better for themselves there, however When the cold came further down they migrated further down . This was said by a Zoroastrian priest from Mumbai.

  • @stellamarie8044
    @stellamarie8044 Год назад +4

    ❤ Beautiful bead work!
    Thanks for posting!

  • @manfredpolster1732
    @manfredpolster1732 Год назад +3

    Greetings from Austria. Thank you for sharing these amazing facts on these recent findings .

  • @lcmlcm2460
    @lcmlcm2460 Год назад +3

    Yes very exciting, pre-history is fascinating. Thanks ❤

  • @rick4electric
    @rick4electric Год назад +29

    It goes way past 13,000 years too!
    We are looking at a recovery, not a beginning!

  • @doncook2054
    @doncook2054 Год назад +41

    Fascinating...i have the gut feeling that Boncuklu Tarla will not have the last word ... at any rate i love the fact that the Victorian twits are being consigned to the rubbish heap...

  • @stephanieunterharnscheidt
    @stephanieunterharnscheidt Год назад

    Seeing these intimate artifacts brings me to their world with a reverent feeling of great admiration. Thank you.

  • @kp-legacy-5477
    @kp-legacy-5477 Год назад +7

    I think its a huge indicator that once again the knowledge of the precessional cycle goes back far far back into our distant past
    they were doing scorpions which was that cultures representation of Cancer
    we as a species seem to have been obsessed with the sky throughout our history and the age of discovery of precession HAS to be changed
    too many sites are equinoxal markers for it to just be coincidence at this point.

  • @maninashed9367
    @maninashed9367 Год назад +4

    Can't believe he said "you've got to wonder what went on" when talking about the communal dark cold places underground likely used to store food.

  • @dadsonworldwide3238
    @dadsonworldwide3238 Год назад +7

    While watching a biblical documentary
    My grandmother told me in late 1970s that this was there and that the ottoman wouldn't allow it to be touched but that after ww2 it was being blocked from biblical archeology by western organizations.

  • @johnathonwebster5720
    @johnathonwebster5720 Год назад +1

    With all the digging it's amazing we're no further to understanding who was about back then in Turkey and what motivated them Seemingly it was just a very busy area with people just getting on with life

  • @susanstillwell6305
    @susanstillwell6305 Год назад +21

    A cellar? A place to escape extreme winds or tornadoes? So interesting to ponder what might have been so long ago.

  • @bethaquilina7997
    @bethaquilina7997 Год назад

    I could listen to these gentlemen talk all day, lovely. From Scranton Pa.

  • @stephenescamilla2129
    @stephenescamilla2129 Год назад +16

    Just found you guys. Look forward to seeing more videos on this amazing true history. We have been lied to from the beginning.

  • @iahelcathartesaura3887
    @iahelcathartesaura3887 Год назад

    Yes thank you for leaving that bit in where you couldn't think. That's actually more enjoyable to me that you're humans sitting here processing and conversing, I love it! Just to let you good gentleman know that.

  • @jeffpittman8725
    @jeffpittman8725 Год назад +5

    It's all fascinating to me. More importantly it adds to the overall story of history.

  • @maijaliepa119
    @maijaliepa119 Год назад +8

    🦅buildings in Malta also had entrance thru a circle in the ceiling/roof🦅as due North American Native Indigenous American people entering thru a hole in the ceiling of the Kiva(sacred building).🦅

  • @Kelticfury
    @Kelticfury Год назад +26

    Half underground with only access through a hole in the "roof" sounds more like a some sort of storage space. It would be somewhat cooler than a surface dwelling. So interesting!

    • @steben3318
      @steben3318 Год назад +6

      I thought the same, root-cellar style and how do they know they were communal?

    • @kp-legacy-5477
      @kp-legacy-5477 Год назад

      @@steben3318 the people that say this shit cant even make the chair they sit on.
      archeology and egyptology do not use the scientific method at all
      the very foundations of the main accepted historical timeline is based on a mistranslation making 400 years of seemingly fake history appear that dioesnt fit in anywhere but this can be simply fixed with the proper translation but the mainstream said the new model was "Too good to be true"

    • @philbarker7477
      @philbarker7477 Год назад +2

      Quite right.Obv storage possibly even water as has been found in other sites.But certainly food.

    • @AMortalDefiant
      @AMortalDefiant Год назад +4

      That's certainly a possibility, but I don't think one can automatically assume that. The Middle East can get insanely hot; underground rooms would also make sense as a place to get some shelter from the daytime heat (natural air conditioning). When I was deployed to Qatar while in the Navy a few years back, it regularly got up into the 130s during the summer months (didn't help that the humidity in Qatar is around 95% in the late summer, so sweating doesn't cool you - it can't evaporate into the saturated air). I was attached to a Marine Corps unit at the time (I was a Hospital Corpsman, and the Navy provides medical assets to the USMC, since they don't have their own). We were training for MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program), and we had to finish up by sunrise, otherwise we risked heat stroke. It was already "black flag" by the time the sun came up (www.ready.marines.mil/Stay-Informed/Natural-Hazards/Extreme-Heat/Flag-Conditions/).

    • @lorilea3188
      @lorilea3188 Год назад +3

      it sounds a lot like the ceremonial "kiva" structures of the Pueblo People of SW USA.

  • @markashdown1314
    @markashdown1314 Год назад +1

    Great blokes and coverage. Thanks both.

  • @black5f
    @black5f Год назад +6

    "And we may never know", but coherent conjecture and intelligent speculation of what is yet to be discovered is why I listen to you guys. Another excellent vid.

  • @ShaneLinkMarshall
    @ShaneLinkMarshall Год назад

    Just your intro to this video alone got my subscription, thank you for your enthusiasm about this subject

  • @rexmagi4606
    @rexmagi4606 Год назад +3

    I have an interesting take on it the structures as a person who has at one point lived in the Great Basin alone for two years. The communal buildings were dug in to the ground because that is the easiest way to make earthquake-stable structures that will last if you don't have access to good wood or mason material. They didn't want to make a giant crappy looking rock and stick hut for everyone to gather under that would likely fall apart and kill everyone one day. Rather, the roof alone was perhaps some sort of light but water resistant material followed by a few feet of carefully placed stones and then the majority of the wall which was made from digging. I also am not sure why you are assuming the structure was cramped because based on my knowledge of the site, we actually don't know high high the ceilings were on these buildings. Subterranean structures tend to get smaller in height over a 12,000 year period. As for the residential huts, they were probably built out of less substantial material and people likely tore down and rebuilt them more frequently on an individual basis. What do you think about this?

  • @mariakelly90210
    @mariakelly90210 11 месяцев назад +2

    Gobelki Tepli gets mentioned a lot on Ancient Aliens. In fact, that series was responsible for me finding out about Gobelki Tepli in the first place!

  • @sfrancisco
    @sfrancisco Год назад +11

    And thank you for being open minded in accepting new findings and resetting our human history accordingly. You’re setting a good example of historians/archaeologists/scientists/scholars/etc to follow. Too many our leaders have lost their ways to satisfy their donors/financiers, sad really.

  • @John14-06
    @John14-06 Год назад +1

    Keep Looking! Keep Finding! I'm looking forward to more Middle Eastern discoveries! Your presentations are enlightening, informative, interesting and thought provoking! (so much for the "stoneage")

  • @RalphEllis
    @RalphEllis Год назад +3

    I have a hunch that all these sites were necropoli - temples for the dead. Dying has always been big business, and a temple and initial burial site would become very rich (ie: extensive). The bones were collected after three years, and taken home.
    The Roman era necropoli in this region are huge.
    R

  • @MikeJones-iz1qq
    @MikeJones-iz1qq Год назад

    You gentlemen are just delightful. This material is mind-blowing. Thank you!

  • @brownnoise357
    @brownnoise357 Год назад +10

    Couple of thoughts on those communal underground places ? Options could include shelters for the community from extreme Wind Chill, as at the time, it looks like there were extremely cold temperatures which were accompanied by very high Wind speeds, as for example long Barrows with accommodation in them do look uncannily like aerodynamic Wind shaped snow drifts ? among other options, the small roof acces and no windows, could well have been Ice Houses as well, for icecreams in the Summer ? Just Cut snow blocks and line the inside starting at the Walls, and you could have chilled drinks or iced water in the Summer ? Also as it me,ts in the Summer, it's a pretty shallow well ? Probably,y lots of other possibilities as well, but remembering getting hot and bothered and dusty while Haymaking, Sheep Shearing etc, you could kill for an ice cold drink, and I bet that would have been the same for them too. Question, did they have Any Fresh Limes to slice and drop unto their Lager ? 🤔

    • @somerandomvertebrate9262
      @somerandomvertebrate9262 Год назад +3

      Storage or warehouses of some kind was the first thing on my mind.

    • @MinkesMom
      @MinkesMom Год назад +1

      I agree. Too many archeologists have too much book learning & seriously lack survival common sense. When in doubt, ask the Local Elders.

  • @hunterG60k
    @hunterG60k Год назад +6

    This is so interesting, to think that there was a large scale settlement 13,000 years ago is just crazy. How many people do you think lived there? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? More?
    You're brief mention of this pushing back into the Younger Dryas opens up questions about the development of farming in that area. How were the two related?? So many questions! 😅

    • @szymonbaranowski8184
      @szymonbaranowski8184 Год назад

      there was no farming before selection of grain in gobekli
      humans do not need grain and sugar to develop civilization
      it started all problems and destruction of old natural ways

  • @janjordal9451
    @janjordal9451 3 месяца назад

    It's a pleasure listening to you.

  • @DavidLazarus
    @DavidLazarus Год назад +13

    Gobekli Tepe is most definitely not ground zero for civilization. It was a temporary location built by a people who were on the move. These people had traveled from Egypt. They made several stops along the way; including Jericho. I know these things because I befriended a man by the name of Dr. Lewis E. Graham circa 2013. Sadly, he passed away in March of 2017. Nevertheless, I learned a lot from both reading his books as well as having many discussions with him. I was one of the proofreaders for his autobiography and also designed the cover for that book. He was a fascinating individual.

    • @gabem6362
      @gabem6362 Год назад +3

      Wonderful experience in learning about our past , cheers mate

    • @koksalceylan9032
      @koksalceylan9032 Год назад

      David it was the way around. Civilization came first to N.E Turkiye from Ucraine down to mesorivers in to Nile River. But moderne humans anatomy originated from Africa in to the rest of the planet.

    • @DavidLazarus
      @DavidLazarus Год назад

      @@koksalceylan9032 - That wasn't my implication. This civilization, which some call the Atlanteans, departed Egypt about 12,000 years ago before it became desert.

    • @koksalceylan9032
      @koksalceylan9032 Год назад

      @@DavidLazarus pseudo History you tolking about!. Ufo,atalantians,... That is not history just stories we like.

    • @DavidLazarus
      @DavidLazarus Год назад

      @@koksalceylan9032 - You're free to think what you want. Dr Lew Graham did more than four decades of research on the topic and he had the funds to do it. Just because something is myth doesn't make it false, it merely means that it's not easily verifiable.

  • @roybatty2030
    @roybatty2030 2 месяца назад

    The long human story is a beautiful inspiration, it helps put our existence into perspective. We should learn lessons before we destroy ourselves.

    • @NYUArchaeology
      @NYUArchaeology 2 дня назад

      You need to learn the yakub story sir. Then revisit this history. Because gobleki tepe is BLACK NATUFIAN peoples. Go sit and listen to the yakub story. Because Ben Franklin believed it. Napoleon believed it. Hitler copied it for himself trying to make a aryan race. If you need me to quickly break it down to you I can.

  • @alisonauchterlonie8212
    @alisonauchterlonie8212 Год назад +5

    Thank you this. Very interesting. Everything keeps getting older and older.

    • @zachh2776
      @zachh2776 Год назад

      Yes, so true. I remember when modern humans were thought to only be 150k years old, now we are thought to be almost 300k years old. I wouldnt be surprised if we are even older than that. The earth is a big place, who is to say that they found the oldest human bones that survived to become fossils or that they discovered the oldest city or dwelling. Tbere is much still to dig up. Its fascinating!

  • @billeib427
    @billeib427 5 месяцев назад

    A great site. More visuals will enhance the show. It's nice to see what it is - of which you speak. More people should be viewing your spot. Informative chat can't carry an entire RUclips show. It's rare.

  • @matthewwilkinson2383
    @matthewwilkinson2383 Год назад +5

    Enjoy these guys. Visually feels like watching cousins of David Bowie and Davy Jones .

  • @annepoitrineau5650
    @annepoitrineau5650 5 месяцев назад

    I have also just watched your Goebekli tepe video. The overwhelming impression I get: these people were living in peace (like Cretans and Indus Valley cultures). No medieval type castle...because they did not need to defend themselves against anything. It is so wonderful, I understand why you cried at G T.

  • @greyzone3801
    @greyzone3801 Год назад +4

    At 7:21 To me the communal building looks more like a cellar to perhaps store things in and perhaps there was a building above it that you could enter the cellar through the floor.

  • @robetprice4759
    @robetprice4759 Год назад +2

    Thanks gentlemen it's good to hear this delivered in a pragmatic stoic British tone

  • @BaltimoresBerzerker
    @BaltimoresBerzerker Год назад +10

    Have you guys done a video on the Mesolithic archeological site at Lapenski, Serbia? Looks interesting!

  • @MichaelBath-xv5bd
    @MichaelBath-xv5bd 3 месяца назад

    Hi Guys...just going back through some of your vids, that I might have missed
    And came across this one..
    Am am enlightened..once again..
    Because up until today, I always though Bonkukulu Tarmala was was an old Barmaid in the Rose and Thisle in Bognor, who would do a anything for
    a half of Lager...
    Keep it up..The Vids imean..🍷

  • @Nuggettfaz
    @Nuggettfaz Год назад +20

    So what is thought to be the food supply for these communities? Are we talking hunter/gatherer, domesticated livestock, some farming or a combination of all? The time is so far back it really pushes the boundaries of our understanding. Thanks for your videos and insight. Fascinating stuff gentleman. Cheers from Oz.

    • @kp-legacy-5477
      @kp-legacy-5477 Год назад +2

      well farming as we know it was only really possible after melt water pulse 1 b
      much more land was freed up and the climate got much warmer
      before this carbon levels were too low to farm as we do now so it would be much more hunter gatherer based plus many more mega fauna existed making farming even harder
      Herding animals like goats seems maybe like a better option with very small farming efforts
      they clearly knew how to farm but before this event couldn't grow to anywhere near the same capacity

    • @Nuggettfaz
      @Nuggettfaz Год назад +1

      @@kp-legacy-5477 the abundance of game must have been incredible. I suppose that when you look at the millions of (just) bison that existed before European settlement in Nth America a community could sustain itself with a hunter/gather lifestyle. I've spent a bit of time with Australian aboriginal people and their nomadic way of life and husbandry of their country ensured a consistent food supply. Fascinating stuff.

    • @kp-legacy-5477
      @kp-legacy-5477 Год назад +3

      @@Nuggettfaz small game was definitely plentiful enough that they need not even bother hunt larger prey
      Which is why the idea that humans at the time hunted mammoths and others to extinction is ridiculous

    • @eugenio1542
      @eugenio1542 Год назад

      ​@@Nuggettfaz I was with the Yalata mob for 8 mths. Too sad, bad and mad was the indiscriminate hunting out of season and hooning about in vehicles to destroy the ancient and ultra sensitive eco systems..☝️❤️✌️🌍🙏

    • @Nuggettfaz
      @Nuggettfaz Год назад

      @@eugenio1542 I spent 8 years with Yolgnu people in NE Arnhem Land. Walking encyclopaedias.

  • @СибирскаяЯрость
    @СибирскаяЯрость 7 месяцев назад

    Just sticking to facts, without all the spectaluar claims.... That's what I like and love ! Thank you very much for this gentlemen. I subscribed ❣

  • @seanwelch71
    @seanwelch71 Год назад +13

    Just imagine what else will be found at Gobekli Tepe, considering there's so much more to dig out.

    • @theresagomez2605
      @theresagomez2605 5 месяцев назад

      Excavation has been largely halted there. Sad to know this won't be done in my lifetime.

    • @jrchmgn.
      @jrchmgn. 2 дня назад

      ​@@theresagomez2605yes and just watched the bright insight video on how they handle the site, it's just so sad.

  • @mchozen2958
    @mchozen2958 Год назад +1

    Fascinating and every other superlative.
    Thank you Guys

  • @jonathansmith2323
    @jonathansmith2323 Год назад +3

    Göbekli Tepe, Hamzan Tepe, Karahan Tepe, Sefer Tepe, Tasli Tepe, Nevalt Cori, Kilisik Tepe, Urfa, Kortik Tepe, Karan Tepe, Boncuklu Tarla ...

  • @Thegreatdogponylaughing
    @Thegreatdogponylaughing Год назад +2

    Great video, very detailed and very eloquently delivered. Amazing topic. Very happy to have found your channel as it resonates with me and my current interests in prehistory. I had never heard of this site before.
    Earnt a sub, keep up the marvellous work. Please.

  • @hankscorpio8928
    @hankscorpio8928 Год назад +11

    Fun fact: these two guys have been friends since they were teenagers.
    The bald guy was into the British Metal scene and the other guy was into The Jam.

    • @szymonbaranowski8184
      @szymonbaranowski8184 Год назад

      i deduced from background and headset colouring
      I even pictured the left gentleman with long hair
      how people can think about similar unrelated to video things 😂😂😂

    • @BILBO1
      @BILBO1 Год назад

      Like a table knife goes with marmalade.

  • @branofattrebates2847
    @branofattrebates2847 11 месяцев назад

    15,000 years of humanity is incredible in a sense of how we look at history through solid proof. It is surely a shame to not believe that humanity is much much older

  • @byronwheeler4210
    @byronwheeler4210 Год назад +7

    Very interesting, gentlemen. In fairness, I believe they've only excavated about 5 percent of Tepe, as well. Still, until I find the power drills, lathes and saws that built the Pyramids and Puma Punku, and discover the magic that moved all of those massive stones, I'll have to put off my search for the bead drills at Boncuklu Tarla.

    • @szymonbaranowski8184
      @szymonbaranowski8184 Год назад

      Inka did lots with oppressive communism
      so it's not a big deal
      not all cultures were as lazy a Chinese building great wall
      Romans built own wall in 5 years

    • @Mozillapi
      @Mozillapi Год назад

      Largely poured in place.

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 Год назад

      The problem about finding evidence is things like metals were so valuable is almost everything was reused if you do research you'll find raiding in war many times was to steal metals to make more weapons. If there was a saw blade it probably became a viking sword or something . Most lost which would be rare given its value would 99 percent of corrode away only leaving a chunk of dirt that is green or red. I find it incredible what we find because it screams how much acess some groups had to wealth

  • @dianespears6057
    @dianespears6057 Год назад +2

    A helpful discussion about a fascinating place. Thank you.

  • @richardharmon4297
    @richardharmon4297 Год назад +5

    Entering structures from the roof might have been normal back then, one of the oldest villages found in Turkey had entrances on the roof as well. Dated to 10k years...

  • @Enoch33
    @Enoch33 Год назад +1

    So much going on here! Wow. The jewlery is astonoshing in the sence of design and technology required. The burils below the homes are facinaying in the sense of the affects on the home.
    1) Were these chamber?
    2) Did the smell get into the homes? Was it somehow mitigated?
    3) Were the skulls treated after being removed?
    4) Have jewelry making tools been found?
    5) Was metal clips or clasps used to connect the jewlery in order to wear anyone them?

  • @JanetofAvalon
    @JanetofAvalon Год назад

    Thank you for having high quality audio on your video.

  • @seanwelch71
    @seanwelch71 Год назад +5

    The Zuni had ceiling entrances to their ceremonial places, too. The cave analogies seem obvious.

  • @carldevries178
    @carldevries178 Год назад

    Wow! I never heard of these sites before. Thanks for bringing other sites to the general public's knowledge.

  • @Calligraphybooster
    @Calligraphybooster Год назад +8

    These sites date from around (or up to about a millennium before?) the end of the last Ice Age. Could they have built structures above ground for summer use, and below ground against the harsh winters?

  • @alexanderalexander7404
    @alexanderalexander7404 Месяц назад

    I wish you had shown more video and photos of the site.
    Nice work gentlemen.

  • @karinegraham7106
    @karinegraham7106 Год назад +4

    What you describe sounds similar to kivas of the American Southwestern indigenous settlements. Many of these are thousands of years old and still used for ceremonial purposes.

    • @fredmullison4246
      @fredmullison4246 Год назад

      Yep, my first thought as well. The parallels are striking. The Ancestral Puebloans also built surface dwellings that complemented the subsurface buildings. And in earlier periods, they also built subsurface homes as well called pithouses. In later periods, the subsurface structures were used by the community for work that was common to everyone; grinding corn, weaving, preparing meals, etc. Living quarters were on the surface. These functions changed and developed over time. Later on, Kivas became mainly ceremonial, but later on, were also used as dwellings, not just for ceremonial purposes.

  • @das250250
    @das250250 Год назад +2

    Such interesting topics ..the fact that they had time to manufacture means food must have been systematically provided plus the fact that the site is large . It's also I interesting about sewerage systems because as early as 1600s we had not really understood the need for keeping sewerage out of drinking water .it seems they worked out a few things. If we mined copper back then they were one step away from discovering electricity of some type .. batteries with vinegar and a difference between metal or elements . Clearly , our records will need to be adjusted and even then it must be asked how far back a large society could have existed and no doubt destroyed by climate change or environmental impacts

  • @daletarbell6746
    @daletarbell6746 Год назад +4

    Could the sunken rooms be root cellers? Places to keep perishable foods?

  • @LordTempist
    @LordTempist Год назад +2

    So glad I found you guys today.

  • @MingBlues
    @MingBlues Год назад +9

    I’d love to know more about climate at the time and place of these ancient human settlements. Might have been different than we imagine when studying them now.

    • @MinkesMom
      @MinkesMom Год назад

      Correct. A Sunken home is far easier to maintain warm & cool. No mystery here. Only common sense.

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 Год назад

      Spot on chap😊

  • @CosmosNut
    @CosmosNut 9 месяцев назад

    All great points, fascinating conversation, thank you.

  • @rickdunn7585
    @rickdunn7585 Год назад +3

    I think gobekli is a meeting place for the many clans of peoples kind of like the United Nations where the clan leaders met to decide where each tribe could hunt ,plant,build,and trade goods

    • @hengineer
      @hengineer 8 месяцев назад

      I view it as a communal place like you said, in the area where agriculture was first tested, in spending time in a very fertile place with lots of natural edible plants and game they had no need to move around a lot, and by staying in one place they could observe how plants work, and test it on their own.

  • @douglascharnley8249
    @douglascharnley8249 Год назад

    What is surprising is the more they dig the more they find, amazing.

  • @AndyBsUTube
    @AndyBsUTube Год назад +5

    Interesting. Is the copper found native copper (ie found as pure copper - rare) or is it smelted?
    Also - this area is quite high - so not subject to mega-flooding as many other areas have been. So stable through the Younger Dryas period.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 Год назад

      If smelted it would ge about the earliest wouldn't it? How did people first learn to smelt ores? Maybe a happy accident firing pottery?

    • @AndyBsUTube
      @AndyBsUTube Год назад

      @@mpetersen6 Yes - or the rocks used to make a fire-circle or other form of hearth, if they contained lead or copper etc then someone might have noticed when clearing the ashes.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 Год назад

      @@AndyBsUTube I'm not sure a fire circle would get hot enough.

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 Год назад

      Finding usable natural copper is rare it's almost always oxidized but even if it isn't it's not usable without melting and working so it points out that again 12,000 years ago isn't enough time for humans to evolutionarily different so figuring out how to make something wasn't unattainable. We are so arrogant to think ourselves so much smarter than a short while back evolutionary. A wooden structure was found worked wood 500,000 years ago in Africa