Journeys to Hell

Im going to watch this later but first I have to read the divine comedy

ayo I got to be the first person to set the sponsor block segments

Im too poor, but if i had the money, i would buy a white goat.

@@LoafAround Much appreciated, it makes me sad seeing SolarSands advertise something they clearly hate.

Solar sands have you done dmt? Do you plan to in the future. I heard the experience is almost unexplainable

So true

“Hell is Other People” is the best short story I’ve ever read.

The real Hell was the "Friends" we've made along the way

Quoted and recorded

Dante and Virgil.

It's kind of a pipeline actually speaking from personal experience.

Add Droid rights to the list.

Wh-
What?
Lmao what?

@@OnTheBackOfBullets lol i see you havent seen his old videos, i found his channel during that era and it was wild

@@gifnut2242 and ___ in a nutshell series, those are masterpieces

what an interesting point. i didn't even realize this

WOW

Are you the ice pick that keeled Trotsky or just the same profile pic?

delirium tremens, if not actual hell, seemed close enough..

Hahaha... Yeah! 😅

woah person with checkmark

omg person with checkmark? what are you doing here! you’re not supposed to be browsing the tube like one of us unmarked peasants!

@@iCookCrystalMethyou guys are so cringe wth

@@cagliari5984 yo never speak to me again

@@cagliari5984 im like 90% sure they werent serious and were mocking people who freak out over checkmarks (and ngl those people do deserve to be mocked)

haven't read but that's truly a gut-wrenching sentence given the context . I imagine dante's visit was the only interesting thing that ever happened to him in his eternity in limbo...

After hearing those words may I dare say that even the Devil may cry

Satire will always be usurped by those you aim to take down. Ask the wachowskis.

It's inferning time

@@janedoe3043what?

what if hell is the pre designated destination for humans the entire time

Also how medieval Christians focused so heavily on the imagery in Revelations and non-canonical apocrypha like Apocalypse of Paul instead of looking at what Jesus actually said about "hell". The eternal fire of hell is not a literal torture chamber, in the same way that the paradise of heaven is not an endless festivity of earthly pleasures. The afterlife is not of this world, and neither would the experiences of pleasure and pain therein be, so anything we can imagine or guess about it would be incorrect. All Jesus let's us know is that heaven is being one with God, and hell is being apart from him, and what that can mean to us as mortal beings is up for interpretation.

Yes , because heaven is boring.

There is one advantage Inferno has and two big problems with Purgatory and Paradise:
First, Inferno created the popular image of Hell. The Bible itself is more or less ambiguous, with vague references to suffering and lakes of fire but the details are sparse. Even stuff like "demons torture you" isn't Biblical canon, there's an argument to be made that Demons just want you to join them in their suffering and that's why they tempt people. Crabs in a bucket. But Dante's Inferno plus Paradise Lost paint an image of Hell being run by demons, and that sort of ended up the layman Christian's preference. It's a lot easier to imagine the same people that tempt you being the ones that torture, I guess, and all the ironic torments help the preachers paint a nasty image of the place.
Second, Purgatory is pretty much Catholic only. Protestants don't believe in it, so you're cutting away any relevance to that audience.
Third, Paradise is very... let's just say 'abstract'. It really deals more with trying to find a place for God and Divinity within the emerging picture of astronomy that was developing in the Renessiance. The stars were no longer holes in the firmament, as traditional Judeo-Christian lore would describe it - but rather objects. Objects that you could go to, visit. It wasn't necessarily 'sci fi', but it was dealing with science. And as astronomy moved further on and so did religion's conception of God's place in the wider Universe, the stars lost their connection with divinity and thus Paradise loses any relevance and just becomes really weird.
So I don't think an obsession with punishment is what elevates Inferno above the rest. It just really stood the test of time.

dante only wrote that much about it

I think it represents limbo

The cool thing is, allegory is the main rhetorical figure in the Divine comedy; basically every character, place and animal stands as an allegory

I really don't like the comparison at all. It's absurd. There's nothing similar about the stories, characters, themes, or literally anything at all. It's such a reach. OTGW is about a metaphorical purgatory at most, and an adventure inside it, not a polite guided tour of hell and related realms.
The stories it more directly parallels are others with the child lost in wonderland trope. If you were to say it's a retelling of any story you'd have to pick from Wonderland, Oz, Narnia, and more before even considering Dante's hell.

@@bluetaffy2785 There are actually a lot of parallels between it and Dante's Inferno.

@@purplehaze2358 That's parallels. There's a huge huuuge leap from "has many parallels" to being a retelling or even being roughly based on it. And both have parallels to other stories about people traveling to the underworld. And OTGW has parallels to Narnia, possibly more so than it does to Inferno. It's just so far off the scope from being a retelling of any of these.

If his first name is solar does that make his formal name Mr. Sandman?

@@minerscaleno, why would it

Thank you for helping to make this video!

which ones did you do

@@seraphimshawty
Blinding light tentacle arms - 35m & 01s (I don't think youtube is letting me post a comment if it includes actual timestamps)
flowing red infinity symbol - 52m & 17s
the tunnel of love - 25m & 10s
spiky ocean of blood - 35m & 11s
screaming head - 56m & 30s
I'm not sure if the animator Cyriak was the first person ever to create an animation with the mouth over the face like in the screaming head animation but he did it at least 15 years before me.

This comment reads like an AI, there's no thought put onto it, it's so... empty. It's true, but it's the worst kind of true.

@@x-x its just a banal comment, dont be weird

​@@x-xThis is the evolved version of "Still watching this in 2023 😂😂😂" Good old YT banality

@@x-x99% of youtube comments are banal, there are many millions of “great video, keep it up👍” you don’t see

are you living in the 22nd century

so real

I hear that

I've had realllly bad sleep paralysis dreams before, I'm sure they believe it really happened.

"It's crazy what our brains can make us perceive as reality."
Yet all we know of reality is what our brains make us perceive.

"And when I depict my enemies as a soyjack, and myself as a chad, people think I'm cringe"

It was also a self-insert fanfic of the Apocalypse of Peter. Also, on a related note, Shakespeare constantly made up new words to rhyme and tried to appeal to the lower classes, like if Dr. Seuss became a rapper.

Because the rest of the Divine Comedy is groundbreaking

Yeah, that makes sense. I realised later it would be because of all the other stuff in it that isn't just suffering.@@Redspark77

@Placeholder501 you are right. i know Inferno is the most famous one but it is the most edgy, political hit piece of the three ans therefore the worst

The unknown is terrifying
Knowing this is all there is, is infinitely moreso.

infinity is hell itself. heaven nor hell. we are meant to suffer

A human is an experiment of Life to explore design space. Life explores design space looking for ways to do replication across more space and more time. To embody replication.
It is the responsibility of Anything to try out the design that it is, in service to this.

then why we need countless years to explore it ?

Jesus Christ loves you and died for your sins 🤎🤍

I'd love to look, I had a similar experience. I thankfully did not literally see hell 😭but instead met different demons, gods and monsters.
I did some drawings too, some portraits of them and other stuff I saw and heard.

Carl Jung documented his interactions with what he called the spirit of the depths in The Red Book. Lots of mystical drawing and journaling.

@@bigmeatswangin5837 its interesting but I honestly hate reading about it and watching movies about it these days

I'm not a psychologist, but it doesn't sound scummy to find an outlet for feelings that are difficult or impossible to describe, through art. I believe art is probably the best way for people to understand feelings that we've never experienced. If you're comfortable with it, I'd love to see the slideshow.

Thank you all for your comments. I appreciate it.

Oh look it's The Kino Corner. I love your series on Literally Me movies.

me when Joseph Anderson

SOMA was one of the few games that really stick to you. The sheer unimaginability of the scenario just makes for a terrifying dive into the nature of human consciousness.

@@Josuh "soMa's nOt a hoRroR gaMe, iT isNt scaRy"
MauLer is rolling in his hibernation

Yeah, I'd say Soma is sort of like the Matrix in that it became many people's introduction to philosophical concepts that had already existed for years or centuries. I think it was the first piece of media I saw that highlighted how teleportation or transferring your mind to another body is just carefully timed suicide alongside the creation of a copy of your memories. Even the illusion of continuity of consciousness goes right out the window when you mind isn't in your original brain.

For like the second time lol. I love this guy

Genuinely what do you mean by that I don’t get it he’s made stuff like this for years

How so?

@@bolicob I’m thinking it’s cause he started roasting deviant art post then started making broader art videos and now just doesn’t whatever he wants idk but commenters give too much credit these days like the millions of “can we just appreciate.. so and so” type comments you see lately

@@goatpepperherbaltea7895yeah but he’s been making these kinds videos for years now

I read your story. I can relate to the compulsive thoughts. I found my freedom in Christ. Realized that we all deserve hell for we’ve all sinned against an infinitely holy God (just one sin was enough put his son on the cross) can be scary to think. Jesus gave us freedom when he died on the cross. I no longer have to worry about my sin because he bore it all for me. I will never not sin as long as I am human. Interesting you mentioned even after leaving religion you still found a way to create some type of god in your life. We all do bc that’s just how God wired us. Thing is, you will never find any satisfaction with any “god” apart from Jesus. If you want to know if he’s real ask him sincerely and he will answer. Seek him and you will find him. We all need our own relationship with him. I confidently suggest this because Jesus is actually the only true and living God. This was long. I wanted to respond because you’re comment is genuine. Take from this what you will.

​​@@beeninthisfandomlongerthan9500 My only gripe with what you wrote is why should I follow a religion to just thank Jesus. Jesus exists, so I have to church at Sundays like what? Even if you're that thankful to Jesus, you could be thankful to someone without joining a fandom for it. A fandom that sometimes doesn't even agree with Jesus' message, "to love above all".

@@xaf15001 I did not say to follow any religion. “Religion” is not what I was getting at.

I have a theory that Lovecraft was just bad at writing descriptions

Yeah the kind of content that is like a compendium but with unique content that we’ve never heard of.

should’ve seen him on Twitter the other day LOL

His videos started getting better when he veered away from picking on deviantart artists lol

Indeed

Solar scripture

@@MegaFan5 if you got anything from the video, than the level of punishment doesn't really matter. the fact that it goes on for eternity is the worst aspect of hell.

There's no torture that would universally result in that for anyone after only a second. Real torture takes time. It can take hours or days to break someone. Hell isn't normally depicted as fantastically as you imply here; the tortures are usually medieval and somewhat mundane.
Someone could probably spend a few months there before reaching the point you're describing here but they're more likely to become catatonic than spread blood all over the walls. The human soul just doesn't work the way you're implying here.

@@heartycoffee4754an unexplored idea is that the human mind can cope with most conditions over time. Even in an eternity I would think that for the lesser punishments you would adapt (unless adaptation is turned off somehow). After a few years it would be normal to you, similar to how people can survive horrific situations in life by adapting and coping.

@@kotzpennerI mean considering most of us won't even be 100 years old just living 1000 alone seems crazy, and almost nothing compared to eternity, pretty sure you'd go numb or braindead at some point

@@Josuh yeah the threat of being alone forever is far worse than most punishments described

Its a tough book honestly 💀✋ quite dense. The free audiobook was such a life saver.

Or...OR....watch Wendigoon's reading/explaning the book lol

@@Beta_Mixeswendigoon is fucking awful lmao

​@@Beta_Mixesnah read the book

No need, I already played DMC

Always has been the case, "content" has never been free.

On the flipside how much would you have paid to watch this video?

@@MungoThorne it's almost as long as a movie, so easily the price of a cinema ticket. But what I meant is that his work is so great that putting an ad on it is like a scratch on a diamond. There's not much to do about it though, it isn't like someone is gonna pay him to do make adfree, nor the patreons are gonna be enough (I guess)

@@ano_nym neither i claim it should be. It's just sad that yt wont monetize him and his patreons aren't enough (i guess)

Are you a demon worshiper

Is that what you call your selfies

@@KennysstanWhat?

Same

​@@brandonandujar2289cope harder bro

Then you will love the video "I asked an AI to Show me hell" by Qxir.

That’s one that *really* fucked with me, especially after I read King’s “The Jaunt.”
The idea that something like that could actually exist in reality chills me to my core.

Wasn't there a black mirror episode about this concept?

i'm more concerned with simulating consciousness or full dive vr. if we ever get to that level of advancement it will truly be hell

think there was a star trek episode where a guy commits a crime on an alien planet and they stick him in a simulation to serve out a very long sentence in hours, horrifying thought

I'm pretty sure at a certain point you'd develop a tolerance to the drug. They'd have to exponentially increase the dosage, at some point the high dose would just kill you.

You just made me imagine a heaven that is watching your all-time favorite movie for the first time, having your memory wiped, and then watching it again endlessly.
The act of forgetting, erasure of memory, is the only antidote to the inevitable suffering of any form of experienced eternity.

​@@NextLineIsMineWhich ironically would mean Heaven is eternal dying, not eternal life

@@xaf15001 as long as the dying doesn't hurt, it doesn't sound that bad ngl

Yup, that's the Alzheimer's joke - you can watch the same favorite movie forever... unfortunately here on Earth one suffers greatly because you can't remember who people are, how the things around you function, etc. That's close enough to hell for me...

I feel like that would be part of torment of hell, to be there so long that suffering is all you know and remember, with only a passing sense of nostalgia to remind you of the world above

It is technically unfair, but so many things in life are. Like people who spend their entire lives suffering hardship and poverty despite never having harmed another person, because the main factor that led to that was being born to poor parents.

In the Orthodox Christian understanding, Christ decended into Hades, broke down the gates, crushed Satan and brought all the righteous with him to heaven, preachng the Gospel to the dead. Hell is experiencing God's love but hating it, because, the person had hated the love of God during their life. Whereas Heaven is experience God's love and being energised and embrasing Him as you have in this life. God is present everywhere and fills all things in his energies, he's compared to a "consuming fire". Thus, when we die, we are in his presence and experience His unfiltered, unhindered love which consumes and hurts us if we hate Him like fire. Or energise us and indwell us if we've communed and loved Him during our life like metal that glows orange in contact with fire.
For now though, all souls who've rejected God or not known him are in hades, they can be brought to the kingdom of heaven by praying for them, if they heed to the prayers and are willing to have communion with Him. This is all possible until the final judgement of Christ.
C.S Lewis - "Great Divorce" is close to the Orthodox view where there's a bunch of people taken in a bus to Heaven and Hell. When they go to Heaven, the wicked experience it as Hell, because they hate the beauty and the sound and the goodness. It's not the lake of fire, to them the Good becomes evil, the grass becomes shards of glass to them, because it's too beautiful and they hate it. Christ's "Harrowing of Hades" is the restoration of our nature and that's why everyone is ressurected on the basis of Christ, even the wicked. It doesn't mean everyone is saved though, because it depends on everyone's own mode of willing and use of the Human nature they've been given, if it's missused by vice and the virtues aren't recapitulated, they'll have an experience of ever ill-will, rather than ever-goodwill. The experience isn't a sort of "burning lake", but God Himself because the wicked hate God, so what torments them is the presence of God. Those who die without knowing God are told the Gospel, about the Kingdom of Heaven in hades when they die.

No amount of pain we can inflict in our short lives could ever justify that sort of thing, just as i think the concept of eternal happiness to be dumb, i think the same with eternal suffering. If you feel one thing for long enough, it starts to mean absolutley nothing. Eternal contempt, and peace seems much more logical. you cant feel bad without good, and you cant feel good without bad. Granted, i am Hindu so the idea of life death and brahma has influence on my view of the linearity of the concepts of heaven and hell but i still think that the way its viewed is flawed

@@Ecstacy333 What alternative would you provide?

⁠@@Ecstacy333I mostly agree with you, except for pain/suffering. Sure, you can kind of distract yourself or try to mentally leave your body, whatever, but the experience of pain KEEPS being painful, because pain is often trying to alert you to fixing something (in the physical sense).
I don't know, to me, pain doesn't get easier to cope with just because you're used to it. Growing up in one of those "house of horrors" situations with an abusive hoarder, I can say that pain can be normalized but I don't think you can get used to it, if that makes sense.

Great observation. Suffering and pleasure are two sides of a spinning coin that never lands.

Same. It was the most terrifying fate of any character in Black Mirror, and it awakened an existential fear in me.

I only watched the first episode, so the shit people describe from this show always feels so incongruent with what I've actually seen lol. This is some horrors beyond human comprehension and yet the show chose to lead with... whatever that first episode was.

yeah that concept is so horrifying. a minute of your time while others suffer millions of years. scary shit.

@@plebisMaximus as someone who has never seen the first episode but watched almost everything else, you might've done it wrong, lol

@@plebisMaximusvery first episode with the pig sex scene is NOT reflective of what the show is. It’s anthological so each episode is independent of the next and some are WAY better than others is the truth. Black mirror is actually not a good show. It has REALLY good episodes and then some that even I don’t remember lol

oh... interesting question. maybe depens who you sent up and down.

If a Hell or Heaven is individualized in some way -- how much *better* is the most moral person in Hell than the least moral person in Heaven? Because maybe it's better to do the wrong thing for the right reason than the right thing for the wrong reason?

Not exactly what you're looking for but the Bible has the story of Saul and David. Saul was chosen to be king as the best of the worst and after his first fuck up God chooses David who is the worst of the best to work under Saul as the secret true king.
Long story short Saul goes off the deep end and does everything wrong. David later usurps him and after being rewarded he slowly falls as well. David tries getting his most loyal soldier killed while he bangs his wife. I forget how David died but I know he was also punished.

I don’t believe the qualification of whether or not you go to heaven or hell is a measure of morality. Just that people that go to heaven tend to be more moral than those who go to hell.

Not necessarily, though I understand the point you are making. I'm not that well educated on this subject, but here's my thought.
Good actions (or will) can have negative consequences. According to Kant, good will is justified by the action, itself, rather than the consequences. So, a good action can have a negative outcome and a bad action can have a positive outcome.
I think your perspective falls under consequentialism: "Being good is about preventing bad things from happening."
Consequentialism states that morality is only a matter of the consequences of the action. So, if you have a positive outcome, that means that your action was good. If you have a negative outcome, then your action was bad.
Ethics is quite interesting and fun! Lots of different perspectives and ideas spanning across the history of humanity.

​@@kwaitefuni9152punishment treats a symptom, not the cause

But what about doing bad things to bad people in order to prevent them doing bad things in the future?

What a poignant statement that means literally nothing. "You don't punish bad people, you just stop the bad things from ever existing its just that easy bro. If you tried hard enough nobody could ever do crimes."

@@hereniho The point of their statement, as I see it, is that "revenge" isn't good. That doing bad things isn't justified or by itself good if you do it to bad people.
You might have to do bad things do bad people sometimes, for example in order to prevent them from doing more bad things, or to act as a deterrant for bad things being done. But the good of these actions would not be just in the fact that you're punishing the bad people, but in the fact that you're preventing more bad things from happening.

I feel this. I just hope that this isn't true. I'm an atheist now, but I've been mentally abused alot by my family because of religion.

was he wishing it on you?

That's not a person that has a real connection with God and as someone who keeps Jesus Christ in my heart I'm so sorry you even have to have that memory.
My parents told me I'm an abomination and it took me a long time to get that self hatred out of my heart.
Bless

This may not be helpful, but most of the time Christians say that because they truly believe it because they were taught it from childhood. It isn't what they want, but they're told not to question the authority of God, and are told to preach against sin to save people.

It's really crazy to me because thats just not even true from a religious perspective

came here to comment about that story. The way it makes you understand a fraction of what an eternity might feel like has never left me

I take issue with the video's wager. You either win, infinitely lose, or cease to exist. But wouldn't heaven be "infinitely win"? You'll experience joy and heaven for an infinite amount of time. He completely ignores that aspect. So if the odds really are akin to picking a single atom in the universe (10 to the power of 80), I'd probably take that bet. I'd need to know more information about heaven and hell, but I think I would do it. The odds of someone picking the atom that sends them to hell are so ridiculously small, they're essentially/effectively zero.

@@Zidbits Look at how the universe operates even outside our insignificant dot of a planet. There is existence and destruction. "Pleasure" is a rare phenomenon while suffering is infinite. Hell is everywhere you look, it's Heaven that's winning the lottery. My bet is on everyone going to Hell with the exception of a tiny few chosen at random. The monk who spent his whole life meditating and working for the betterment of the poor has the same chances as Hitler of getting there. What you do in life doesn't matter in the slightest.

I'm pretty sure he's neurodivgent due to his monotone voice and his struggles with friendship it makes sense he can't express himself as one would expect

@@thebookwormhotel5336 there's that and a complete lack of any sign of genuine human fear on display here

No u

Dont worry, me too

oh hi bob

This implies that there is a minimum of one person in this group with only one testicle

This is definitely something ObamaMpreg would say.

Not only that, I'm pretty sure Jacob Geller has spoken about SOMA in one of his videos before, with a somewhat similar take. The theme and "moral", for lack of a better word, of this video just generally remind me of the kind of videos Jacob Geller makes.

Very much felt like a Jacob Geller video -- even to the point of ignoring obvious connections in other media in order to cram in more video games. Surprised he didn't mention the Black Mirror episode even once.

@@DX795Q which episode would that be? Demon 79?

@@petrikorWhite Christmas I think.

Having the bones and flesh stripped away, leaving only vital organs, feeding them lies to inspire loyalty and not only accept the horror but to crave it, all so they can be used as a way for a madman to avoid the torment he himself deserves.
The Abyss is cruel and unjust, torturing those unfortunate or foolish to have entered it, and it serves no purpose whatsoever except to embody the very idea of cruelty.
Bowdrewd is the Devil himself in the guise of man, and if there's any justification for the existence of the hateful reality of the Abyss, it's so THAT walking atrocity can eventually face his judgement within its depths.

Man this whole video I was thinking of that, trully one of the best portrayals of hells ever

The series reminds me of Annihilation, Mystery Flesh Pit, and Roadside Picnic/Stalker in terms of cosmic horror setting and its occupants' careers involving touring the unexplainable and suffering in the process.
I find the Abyss fascinating in its mysterious eerie beauty. The sunlight poured down by the forcefield that brings nutrition and warmth throughout most of its interior illuminates the very curse that same forcefield brings to its residents should they try to ascend ten meters. It's much like an Eldritch pitcher plant if it was a gaping mouth that's deeper than the Mariana Trench where the bottom is as of yet unseen- a man-eating hole that discourages its prey from leaving. Even the strains of ascension reminds me of decompression sickness. It has its own ecosystem filled with fantastical monsters and flora that the people on the surface try to both survive on economically and against for the sake of adventure and ancient relics. Delvers are hailed as martyrs by the locals, even when they're marching to their probable deaths. The greatest of their ranks are seen as less human and more monster, as one sacrifices at least some of their humanity the more one explores.

He uses a brilliant analogy of a drowning child in front of you, but you’ll have to ruin your $100 shoes to prevent them from drowning. Probably 99% of people would save the child, but not saving it is essentially the same as not donating to charity.

history bro (specifically those specializing in WW2 Imperial Japan): "you don't wanna know"

I was never raised Christian, so I never understood why Christians were so hellbent (lol) on converting non-Christians. This comment gave me a new perspective, thank you.

That’s why we have to share the gospel brother.🤗

Now I'm going to theology school, and I'm wondering if Solar is holding his cards close on his own opinion: Hell *is* dumb. But also, everything we teach about it is arguably imagery to guide people. Solar read and even cited C.S. Lewis's *The Great Divorce* and that describes Hell as infinite self-inflicted isolation - it's not a punishment imposed, but a bad idea clung to by pride. This conception is no longer an infinite cruelty. So, from the Christian perspective, the despair is not so great, and I wonder if Sands doesn't feel the same way outside the context of this vid.

@TheKnoxviciousBut isn't that his whole thing, that he died for our sins n everything? I'm not christian but as you said most people probably take heaven for granted so there's no need to worry about going to hell themselves I'd imagine

Just read something about what horrible things people actually have done to innocent people in this world (or don't, to sleep better), then you might understand it more.

It might be because Ai is something that seems more real and is more likely to effect you

Both. Both is good.
(edit: neither ai nor torture are good things, im quoting a meme)

Are you a low tier artist or something? They are pretty much the only ones I have seen that upset about AI.

@@ano_nym AI probably steals more from "high tier artists" because of the quality of their work being desirable. Why wouldn't they be more bothered?

@@ConiferConnieTreeCow High tier artists still get jobs anyways.
Also, what AI does with art is no different than what humans do. Every artist takes inspiration from other artists, even if subconsciously. AI just does that more efficiently

How is it going?
And are you planning to publish it?

this was a perfect video for that he presents so much great hell material in this

@@incoerenza4331 Going pretty well, if slowly; and uh.. I plan to post the Google document online if that's what you're asking.

No way, I was just putting together my own underworld as well!

@@purplehaze2358 Cool. Can you give us any details?

and then the heaven level was hell to PLAY 😅

I was raised Atheist. The movie "Event Horizon" got me fascinated in the concept of hell.

Calling it fictional does make it so.repent

"Hell is fictional!" I just obliterated an infinite amount of suffering. I'm a nice guy like that.@@newtonmutea

​@@NextLineIsMine You're an absolute hero.

@@NextLineIsMine Thank you for your service

This is what went through my mind as i was watching that segment of the video. If the odds were 1:1 and you gambled an infinite amount of times, then you'd win exactly 50% of the time and lose the other 50%. That obviously breaks the rules of the video since you only get one shot, but it means that for a 1:1 ratio, there'd be a 50% : 50% chance for hell or heaven. Similarily, if there was a 1:2 ratio there'd be a 33% : 67% chance for hell or heaven, meaning that the average person would experience 33% of hell and 67% of heaven. If the pain from hell is equal to the pleasure of heaven, then the average person with a 1:2 chance would experience 67%heaven + 33%hell = 67%heaven - 33%heaven = 33%heaven. This makes sense because if the ratio was 1:infinity, then the chance of hell would be 1 divided by infinity which is equal to zero and the average person would experience 100% of heaven.

The cost of losing far exceeds the cost of winning. Can any "ultimate win" truly surpass an "ultimate loss"? Solar Sands argues no.
Personally the correct move is to not play. IMHO, either state leaves you numb, with no room to grow. Why play at all, if you cannot do the very things that define your existence as a human. A constant, unchanging state of pleasure or pain, happiness or torture, health or injury, and there is no substantial change that allows you to really surpass your current limits, or to age and mature. That's what we do as humans, and our boundaries and limits define us. Take that away, in the static, unchanging afterlives, and you take away the only context we are defined to exist in. Why even bother?

This makes zero sense. We are accepting in this thought experiment that Hell can exist as eternal torment, but we cannot accept that Heaven exists as equal eternal pleasure? Why? I get that you (and Solar Sands) are personally interpreting both concepts as inherently bad because they are eternal. Can you at least agree that if you do not accept eternity as inherently bad, then your argument falls apart?@@FullCircleStories

Had to scroll way too far to find this.

​@@blahthebiste7924that eternal torment for a finite life is bad is one of the foundational points of the discussion why are you even asking in the first place of course we all agree this is a fucked up thing.

have you considered why he would decide to not talk about it if he knew about it?

Dang good comment right here - the imposition of a value duality on everything is something that messes with my life and the lives of many others. It's so hard to keep nuanced perspective on things, and so tempting to abbreviate them to "sucks" and "rocks". It prevents true understanding of things and people. That's hellish right there.

This comment is so underrated. There's no crueler creature to exist in this world than humans, themselves.

@@malakibaskerville2190 Not sure I agree, because you shouldn't confuse belief in hell with liking that hell exists. Most people believe in hell just because they were taught it, and don't like it, and don't understand why the punishments should be so harsh.

How did it install itself??

@aperturechromakey72 I brought my PS4 to my friends house in like 2018-2019 and when we booted it up the first thing on the dash was SOMA which creeped us out considering the logo. That's the only time something like that has happened. My guess is it was a promotion for Playstation Now at the time

That doesn't really work if you believe God to be omnipotent.

@@magneter102 Why not? Making someone love you and be close to you is not love. Omnipotence does not mean being able to do anything. It means being able to do anything logically consistent

@@justiniani3585 Why does the surrounding "blizzard" exist? Why is God's flame limited? Does God only love and protect those who love him?
Especially if hell is still infinite and inescapable, it still doesn't seem fair that God wouldn't allow one to return to him, when He would clearly be capable of allowing that.

Sinners will never admit guilt, that is the cold blizzard.

@@magneter102that’s where the trinity comes in. I think Justinian is describing the holy spirit. Methodists also picture God as fire.